Nigel,
I don't know what method he currently uses but Dr. Dobson is certified in upper cervical and he an instructor at the college. He is well worth visiting if there is no one else nearby.
You are a tough case. You have very little laterality or rotation in your misalignment. You are bascially in a flexion strain with your head forward of the normal posture line. I would like to see better specific upper cervical x-rays in your case with tighter collimation and better filtration to focus on the upper cervicals. A good base posterior or vertex view would also be helpful.
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thankyou dr upright,
goodluck with your research i hope it goes well for you, and people that it can help, and maybe the rest of the medical world, will take a page out of you book,
i will leave this chat, due to disagreements,
i wish not to offend anyone on here,
i will say, being a chiroprator must be hard at times, with not being taken seriously,
maybe when im better, i will venture into your reasearch, and im sure nigel will help there/
he has be kind enough to explain somethings to me, which i thank him for.
good luck again, take care
goodluck with your research i hope it goes well for you, and people that it can help, and maybe the rest of the medical world, will take a page out of you book,
i will leave this chat, due to disagreements,
i wish not to offend anyone on here,
i will say, being a chiroprator must be hard at times, with not being taken seriously,
maybe when im better, i will venture into your reasearch, and im sure nigel will help there/
he has be kind enough to explain somethings to me, which i thank him for.
good luck again, take care
Thank you for the recommendations Dr. Flanagan. Dr. Marion sounds great but not sure how easy it will be to get to him as Staten Island is a challenge. Will look into both.
I am rather concerned when you say someone should be checking my daughter's muscles to see what is going on. How do they do that? is it a strength test as in when the doctor tests the strength in her legs and arms by pushing against them? How often should she be tested?
She did something to her knee on the elliptical machine last week and had pain and trouble walking. She went back to have it adjusted on Friday by Dr. Cindrich's associate as he is on vacation. He said her knee, hip and ankle were out and she was to wear supports on them. She is now having problems with her knee and hip giving way along with muscular/soreness type pain in her hip region and knee. She said a friend just told her her knees look like they are going inwards when she walks (this is new) and she looks as if she is in pain when she stands. What do you think is going on? Also is it important to take it easy when you have had an adjustment and if so for how long?
As she has not seen the AO for about 6 weeks could that be causing any problems?
You mention she might benefit from an EMG. She does not have an appt with her neuro until September. Is he the person to do that?
Lastly whats the best way to strengthen her muscles and body? She likes the rowing machine (when she goes to the gym) and the elliptical but not sure if they are right for her - would it be better to see the physical therapist again? She is not good at stretching etc. I forgot to mention she has bone infarcts in both knees,either due to accident or steroids, to add to all of this.
As always thank you Dr. F for all your time and caring.
Drury
I am rather concerned when you say someone should be checking my daughter's muscles to see what is going on. How do they do that? is it a strength test as in when the doctor tests the strength in her legs and arms by pushing against them? How often should she be tested?
She did something to her knee on the elliptical machine last week and had pain and trouble walking. She went back to have it adjusted on Friday by Dr. Cindrich's associate as he is on vacation. He said her knee, hip and ankle were out and she was to wear supports on them. She is now having problems with her knee and hip giving way along with muscular/soreness type pain in her hip region and knee. She said a friend just told her her knees look like they are going inwards when she walks (this is new) and she looks as if she is in pain when she stands. What do you think is going on? Also is it important to take it easy when you have had an adjustment and if so for how long?
As she has not seen the AO for about 6 weeks could that be causing any problems?
You mention she might benefit from an EMG. She does not have an appt with her neuro until September. Is he the person to do that?
Lastly whats the best way to strengthen her muscles and body? She likes the rowing machine (when she goes to the gym) and the elliptical but not sure if they are right for her - would it be better to see the physical therapist again? She is not good at stretching etc. I forgot to mention she has bone infarcts in both knees,either due to accident or steroids, to add to all of this.
As always thank you Dr. F for all your time and caring.
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Drury wrote: 1) I am rather concerned when you say someone should be checking my daughter's muscles to see what is going on. How do they do that? is it a strength test as in when the doctor tests the strength in her legs and arms by pushing against them? How often should she be tested?
Muscles should be checked by hand as you describe above. They should be tested often to see if she is getting better, staying the same or worse.
In the arms: deltoids, biceps, triceps, wrist and finger muscles should be tested as a minimum.
In the legs: quadriceps, hamstrings, adductors and abductors, gastrocnemius, soleus and EHL.
2) She did something to her knee on the elliptical machine last week and had pain and trouble walking. She went back to have it adjusted on Friday by Dr. Cindrich's associate as he is on vacation. He said her knee, hip and ankle were out and she was to wear supports on them. She is now having problems with her knee and hip giving way along with muscular/soreness type pain in her hip region and knee. She said a friend just told her her knees look like they are going inwards when she walks (this is new) and she looks as if she is in pain when she stands. What do you think is going on? Also is it important to take it easy when you have had an adjustment and if so for how long?
She may have spasms in her inner thigh muscles (adductors) causing a scissor-like gait.
In your daughter's case she should take it easy for a couple of hours after the adjustment.
3) As she has not seen the AO for about 6 weeks could that be causing any problems?
Yes. Upper cervical spine misaligns can cause knots (tension) in the extensor muscles next to the spine that turn off their antagonistic (opposite action) flexor muscles. In particular it often affects the psoas muscle we discussed previously which can cause signifcant back and kidney type pain.
4) You mention she might benefit from an EMG. She does not have an appt with her neuro until September. Is he the person to do that?
Yes. The neuro should also be testing muscle stretch reflexes (tendon reflexes), visually inspecting, palpating for tone and tenderness, and hand testing her muscles regularly. Muscles are one of the best ways to check the condition of the nervous system non-invasively. There are different degrees of strength and quality in contraction.
5) Lastly whats the best way to strengthen her muscles and body? She likes the rowing machine (when she goes to the gym) and the elliptical but not sure if they are right for her - would it be better to see the physical therapist again? She is not good at stretching etc. I forgot to mention she has bone infarcts in both knees,either due to accident or steroids, to add to all of this.
If she feels good doing them then rowing and elliptical machines are fine.
The infarcts in her knees could be playing a significant part in her problems which is why the muscles (bellies and tendon insertions) associated with knee action should be palpated (touched) and tested for tone, tenderness and strength.
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My email to the NZ college;
Hi David,
Some time ago I enquired about UCCA trained practitioners and you gave me Graham Dobson's contact email. I have since lost that and would like to get in touch again. Could you forward this email to Graham or forward me his email address please.
I have been following the work of Dr. Michael Flanagan a Chiropractor in the US and have also been looking at the work of Dr. Marshall Dickholtz Sr. on;
The work that Dr. Dickholtz is doing in the research field is impressive for the Chiropractic cause.
As I have a 'probable MS' diagnosis and after showing Dr. Flanagan my xrays of my cervical spine he has again suggested that I get evaluated and adjusted by a UCCA practitioner. After having adjustments locally with no success from John Funnell he has also said that UCCA would be the best option.
I have communicated before about some challenges with a recent marriage split and the usual financial bind that places people in. I am now in a position where I want to talk more about the possibility of having treatment at the college.
In my initial talks with Chiropractors there has been a lack of confidence that 1 or 2 treatments will achieve the result of axis alignment. After viewing Dr. Dickholtz's videos I am now of the impression that a lasting adjustment in a one off sense can be achieved by a skilled practitioner.
Is there a likelihood of 1 or 2 treatments holding in your experience from practitioners in NZ or is this something that I would need to be traveling overseas to achieve?
I understand that Dr. Dickholtz is confident enough to have repeat xrays immediately after treatment to confirm that alignment has been achieved. This is what I would be seeking in any treatment I was to undertake, is this too higher expectation in your opinion?
Look forward to your guidance,
Regards,
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The reply that I have been waiting on;
Hi Nigel,
Great to hear from you again.
As far as I know there is no-one in NZ who NUCCA practitioner. Dr Graham Dobson may have further information regarding this
I have trained in Upper Cervical adjusting with specific Toggle Recoil, and would be happy to care for you. Dr Graham Dobson is probably one of the best in NZ if not the best.
I would be more than happy to meet with you and give you my opinion. You suggest an Axis adjustment, I don't know if you need an Axis, Atlas or other adjustment, I would not know without assessing you and all your records (incl. x-rays) for myself.
At the College we don't routinely use the head clamps for taking upper cervical x-rays, however do routinely analyse upper cervical x-rays. We also do not have an Anatometer
I use leg checks routinely when assessing patients (have done research on this).
I have attached a couple of case studies from my practice that may interest you, however not the same presentation as yourself.
I do want to make sure you understand that chiropractic care is not a treatment for any condition, it is about the performance of your nervous system, everyone responds differently and in different time frames.
Hope this Helps, would love to catch up and offer you advice if you would like
Regards,
Dave
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What a difficult decision for me, IMO. (I did speak about axis in error as well, meant atlas.)
I want the best treatment I can get and it appears to me, not be possible. By that I mean that talking with Dr. F and Dr.K and watching the Dr. Dickholtz video series gives hope of accurate and precise adjustments that 'could' require only 1 maybe 2 adjustments.
What I believe is on offer is a treatment that may not address the problem, and imagining that may not be able to visualize the required areas.
Thoughts please Dr.
Regards Nigel
Hi David,
Some time ago I enquired about UCCA trained practitioners and you gave me Graham Dobson's contact email. I have since lost that and would like to get in touch again. Could you forward this email to Graham or forward me his email address please.
I have been following the work of Dr. Michael Flanagan a Chiropractor in the US and have also been looking at the work of Dr. Marshall Dickholtz Sr. on;
The work that Dr. Dickholtz is doing in the research field is impressive for the Chiropractic cause.
As I have a 'probable MS' diagnosis and after showing Dr. Flanagan my xrays of my cervical spine he has again suggested that I get evaluated and adjusted by a UCCA practitioner. After having adjustments locally with no success from John Funnell he has also said that UCCA would be the best option.
I have communicated before about some challenges with a recent marriage split and the usual financial bind that places people in. I am now in a position where I want to talk more about the possibility of having treatment at the college.
In my initial talks with Chiropractors there has been a lack of confidence that 1 or 2 treatments will achieve the result of axis alignment. After viewing Dr. Dickholtz's videos I am now of the impression that a lasting adjustment in a one off sense can be achieved by a skilled practitioner.
Is there a likelihood of 1 or 2 treatments holding in your experience from practitioners in NZ or is this something that I would need to be traveling overseas to achieve?
I understand that Dr. Dickholtz is confident enough to have repeat xrays immediately after treatment to confirm that alignment has been achieved. This is what I would be seeking in any treatment I was to undertake, is this too higher expectation in your opinion?
Look forward to your guidance,
Regards,
...................
The reply that I have been waiting on;
Hi Nigel,
Great to hear from you again.
As far as I know there is no-one in NZ who NUCCA practitioner. Dr Graham Dobson may have further information regarding this
I have trained in Upper Cervical adjusting with specific Toggle Recoil, and would be happy to care for you. Dr Graham Dobson is probably one of the best in NZ if not the best.
I would be more than happy to meet with you and give you my opinion. You suggest an Axis adjustment, I don't know if you need an Axis, Atlas or other adjustment, I would not know without assessing you and all your records (incl. x-rays) for myself.
At the College we don't routinely use the head clamps for taking upper cervical x-rays, however do routinely analyse upper cervical x-rays. We also do not have an Anatometer
I use leg checks routinely when assessing patients (have done research on this).
I have attached a couple of case studies from my practice that may interest you, however not the same presentation as yourself.
I do want to make sure you understand that chiropractic care is not a treatment for any condition, it is about the performance of your nervous system, everyone responds differently and in different time frames.
Hope this Helps, would love to catch up and offer you advice if you would like
Regards,
Dave
Dr David Russell
Chiropractic Centre Director
New Zealand College of Chiropractic
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What a difficult decision for me, IMO. (I did speak about axis in error as well, meant atlas.)
I want the best treatment I can get and it appears to me, not be possible. By that I mean that talking with Dr. F and Dr.K and watching the Dr. Dickholtz video series gives hope of accurate and precise adjustments that 'could' require only 1 maybe 2 adjustments.
What I believe is on offer is a treatment that may not address the problem, and imagining that may not be able to visualize the required areas.
Thoughts please Dr.
Regards Nigel
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Hello Nigel,NZer1 wrote:What a difficult decision for me ... I want the best treatment I can get and it appears to me, not be possible. By that I mean that talking with Dr. F and Dr.K and watching the Dr. Dickholtz video series gives hope of accurate and precise adjustments that 'could' require only 1 maybe 2 adjustments.
What I believe is on offer is a treatment that may not address the problem, and imagining that may not be able to visualize the required areas. Thoughts please Dr.
It is a tough decision because of the inconvenience due to the distance. Otherwise I would recommend you give it a try. It is highly unlikely, however, that classic knee chest toggle recoil will be able to effect changes in 1-2 visits. It is more likely to take many months in a case like yours. Moreover, even NUCCA would require follow-up visits to maintain the correcton far beyond 1-2 visits.
Dr. Dickholtz is board certified and one of the most senior and best NUCCA doctors in the world. To pass part three of the NUCCA board, candidates must show significant reduction (about 75% or so as I recall) of the misalignment on pre and post x-rays in the first several visits. The rapid changes they can produce are due to specific analysis of highly accurate x-rays using head clamps, angled bucky (film holder) tight collimation (field) and extra filtration to improve focus on the upper cervical spine coupled with a precise line of correction by the doctor. It all adds up.
I learned classic anatomical notations. Misalignments are described in general terms such as anterior (forward) superior (upward) on the right is ASR of C1. NUCCA, AO and other methods derived from Grostic and others use more modern orthogonal analysis based on precise degrees of misalignment in x,y and z planes of motion, which are forward and backward movement (flexion/extenison or x axis), left and right side rotation (twisting or y axis), and left and right and side bending (lateral flexion or z axis).
It is difficult to determine the laterality and rotation of misalignment in your case. Precise x-rays and possibly a nasium (taken through the nose area to see C1). If you go back to page 66 in this thread you will see an excellent example of a high quality nasium view of Bestadmom taken by Dr. Binder. It is perfect view of atlas. A Base Posterior or Vertex view would be most helpful in your case as well.
Thank you Dr. Flanagan. I wish you could be cloned!
Regarding the muscle testing if you only see the neuro twice a year
how do you get regular muscle testing? Do you think if I print this out and give it to Dr. CIndrich he will be offended?
Do you think seeing a physical therapist would benefit her in any way? I wonder if with her bone infarcts whether he could suggest the right strengthening exercises for her knees? She was under the care of one last year for a while and he suggested some stretching and strengthening exercises (she is not that good at doing them mind) and then recommended she perhaps work out on one of the vibrating machines at another gym but the jury seems to be out as to whether they would help in any way or perhaps even cause harm for MS patients. Is swimming a good exercise? - she favors break stroke and if we could find a pool closer to her would that be beneficial?
She is not sure whether to go back to the chiro again tomorrow - any thoughts as to whether its too soon to go again? She is feeling soreness in her hip region to the touch and her knee as well I think and she said she is definitely feeling weakness when squatting (as in going to loo) or getting up from a chair, etc. I just wish this would all go away...........
I am sorry to bombard you with all these questions.
Gratefully,
Drury
Regarding the muscle testing if you only see the neuro twice a year
how do you get regular muscle testing? Do you think if I print this out and give it to Dr. CIndrich he will be offended?
Do you think seeing a physical therapist would benefit her in any way? I wonder if with her bone infarcts whether he could suggest the right strengthening exercises for her knees? She was under the care of one last year for a while and he suggested some stretching and strengthening exercises (she is not that good at doing them mind) and then recommended she perhaps work out on one of the vibrating machines at another gym but the jury seems to be out as to whether they would help in any way or perhaps even cause harm for MS patients. Is swimming a good exercise? - she favors break stroke and if we could find a pool closer to her would that be beneficial?
She is not sure whether to go back to the chiro again tomorrow - any thoughts as to whether its too soon to go again? She is feeling soreness in her hip region to the touch and her knee as well I think and she said she is definitely feeling weakness when squatting (as in going to loo) or getting up from a chair, etc. I just wish this would all go away...........
I am sorry to bombard you with all these questions.
Gratefully,
Drury
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Drury wrote: 1) Regarding the muscle testing if you only see the neuro twice a year how do you get regular muscle testing? Do you think if I print this out and give it to Dr. CIndrich he will be offended?
Even if its only twice a year the neuro should be palpating and testing her muscles for tenderness, tone and strength, which can be further corroborated with an EMG.
I wouldn't print out my comments. Just write down the muscles and ask which ones are weak, especially the muscles in the legs.
2) Do you think seeing a physical therapist would benefit her in any way? I wonder if with her bone infarcts whether he could suggest the right strengthening exercises for her knees? She was under the care of one last year for a while and he suggested some stretching and strengthening exercises ... and then recommended she perhaps work out on one of the vibrating machines at another gym but the jury seems to be out as to whether they would help in any way or perhaps even cause harm for MS patients. Is swimming a good exercise? - she favors break stroke and if we could find a pool closer to her would that be beneficial?
If the PT helps her get going with exercise it would be helpful. I don't know what the vibrating machine is but I can't imagine what the supposed benefit is so forget it. Swimming and pool exercises are excellent. The "breast stroke" is fine. The only downside is non-experts tend to pick up their head to breathe which can strain the neck slightly but I don't think it will be an issue with your daughter.
3) She is not sure whether to go back to the chiro again tomorrow - any thoughts as to whether its too soon to go again? She is feeling soreness in her hip region to the touch and her knee as well I think and she said she is definitely feeling weakness when squatting (as in going to loo) or getting up from a chair, etc ...
It's fine to go back to the chiro tomorrow. It's not too soon. Weakness squatting and gettig out of chairs is due to the quadriceps and gluteal (buttocks) muscles. One of the checks in SOT for pelvic misalignment uses palpation of the inner and outer aspect around the knee area. It gives you and idea about adductor (inner thigh) versus abductor (outer thigh) muscle problems. Ask the doctor if he can check her leg muscles and tenderness around the knee and let me know what he says.
Quick refresher for us all.
http://www.spineuniverse.com/anatomy/ce ... -animation
Curious about exactly how your neck accomplishes its complex tasks? This video animation shows how the bones, muscles and tendons work together to keep our skull safe and sound.
Video Transcript
The cervical spine is the first seven bones of the vertebral column and extends from the base of the skull to the top of the thoracic spine. Each of the first two vertebrae has a unique shape and function.
The skull rests upon the first vertebra, called the atlas, which serves as a pivot. Its design allows for forward and backward motion of the head, such as for making a "yes" motion. The axis sits below the atlas and is designed for rotation. A bony process, called the dens, articulates with the atlas allowing the head to turn from side to side, such as for making a "no" motion.
Each of the five remaining vertebrae has a weight-bearing body. Surrounding these vertebrae are muscles, ligaments, blood vessels, and nerves. In addition, intervertebral discs between the vertebrae act as shock absorbers for the spine. The design of the cervical vertebrae provides structural support and allows for considerable flexibility of the head and neck.
http://www.spineuniverse.com/anatomy/ce ... -animation
Curious about exactly how your neck accomplishes its complex tasks? This video animation shows how the bones, muscles and tendons work together to keep our skull safe and sound.
Video Transcript
The cervical spine is the first seven bones of the vertebral column and extends from the base of the skull to the top of the thoracic spine. Each of the first two vertebrae has a unique shape and function.
The skull rests upon the first vertebra, called the atlas, which serves as a pivot. Its design allows for forward and backward motion of the head, such as for making a "yes" motion. The axis sits below the atlas and is designed for rotation. A bony process, called the dens, articulates with the atlas allowing the head to turn from side to side, such as for making a "no" motion.
Each of the five remaining vertebrae has a weight-bearing body. Surrounding these vertebrae are muscles, ligaments, blood vessels, and nerves. In addition, intervertebral discs between the vertebrae act as shock absorbers for the spine. The design of the cervical vertebrae provides structural support and allows for considerable flexibility of the head and neck.
upright doc,
Before looking into CCSVI and the liberaton procedure, I went to an upper cervical chiropractor in White NY. I went three times a week for about four months, then I went down to two for another month and then I just stopped. 5 months and I noticed absolutely no improvements at all in my MS symptoms. Can you give me any insight?
Laura
Before looking into CCSVI and the liberaton procedure, I went to an upper cervical chiropractor in White NY. I went three times a week for about four months, then I went down to two for another month and then I just stopped. 5 months and I noticed absolutely no improvements at all in my MS symptoms. Can you give me any insight?
Laura
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Hello LauraV,
For one, not all cases of MS can be helped by upper cervical. Some cases have permanent damage and some cases aren't related to problems in the upper cervical spine.
That said, I need to know more about your particular case? To start with what are your signs and symptoms and when did you first get MS?
For one, not all cases of MS can be helped by upper cervical. Some cases have permanent damage and some cases aren't related to problems in the upper cervical spine.
That said, I need to know more about your particular case? To start with what are your signs and symptoms and when did you first get MS?
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A TiMS member I will refer to Mr. T contacted me about his case and granted permission for me to post his history for those of you who are interested.
I am a 53 year old male. I was in a serious motor cycle accident in UK in 1974 that resulted in a compound fracture to top of humerous bone near right shoulder, a femur fracture of left leg just below knee joint. (The patient probably means a frature of the fibula which is in the lower leg. The upper part of the leg is the femur).
I spent 12 weeks in the hospital in shoulder splints and leg traction. There were no obvious neck injuries, but I think the doctors were focused more on the broken bones and never examined my neck. I had several operations including screws to fix the humerous. My left leg is now 1/2" shorter than the right leg. The screws were subsequently removed 2 years later due to severe discomfort and pain.
During mid 80's I developed blurred vision in one eye. The optician referred me back to GP. Over the next couple of years I gradually developed tingling in the left hand and a limp in my right leg. I had various tests and finally a MRI done. In the mid 90's I was told it was MS, but was never given any medication. My physical symptoms have deteriorated. My gait has gotten worse. My balance is not good. I also have bladder weakness, foot drop etc.
I decided to go to a chiropractor in 2006, having read it might help some of my symptoms. I have attached his original X-rays if any use? I believe his work has delayed progress further but not totally stopped it..
I heard about CCSVI and went to Poland in April 2010 and they carried out an angioplasty to my RJV, but not stented. That just about brings me up to date, although still ambulatory I now wear a FES unit for the foot drop, which has helped me stay at work.
X-rays findings: There is a significant head tilt to the left, moderate spondylosis (degeneration) of C5/6 and loss of cervical curve. There is a significant pelvic and lumbar tilt to the left and a moderate compression fracture of L1.
I am a 53 year old male. I was in a serious motor cycle accident in UK in 1974 that resulted in a compound fracture to top of humerous bone near right shoulder, a femur fracture of left leg just below knee joint. (The patient probably means a frature of the fibula which is in the lower leg. The upper part of the leg is the femur).
I spent 12 weeks in the hospital in shoulder splints and leg traction. There were no obvious neck injuries, but I think the doctors were focused more on the broken bones and never examined my neck. I had several operations including screws to fix the humerous. My left leg is now 1/2" shorter than the right leg. The screws were subsequently removed 2 years later due to severe discomfort and pain.
During mid 80's I developed blurred vision in one eye. The optician referred me back to GP. Over the next couple of years I gradually developed tingling in the left hand and a limp in my right leg. I had various tests and finally a MRI done. In the mid 90's I was told it was MS, but was never given any medication. My physical symptoms have deteriorated. My gait has gotten worse. My balance is not good. I also have bladder weakness, foot drop etc.
I decided to go to a chiropractor in 2006, having read it might help some of my symptoms. I have attached his original X-rays if any use? I believe his work has delayed progress further but not totally stopped it..
I heard about CCSVI and went to Poland in April 2010 and they carried out an angioplasty to my RJV, but not stented. That just about brings me up to date, although still ambulatory I now wear a FES unit for the foot drop, which has helped me stay at work.
X-rays findings: There is a significant head tilt to the left, moderate spondylosis (degeneration) of C5/6 and loss of cervical curve. There is a significant pelvic and lumbar tilt to the left and a moderate compression fracture of L1.
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Hello Dr. Flanagan,
Really helpful. Thankyou.
Regarding the EMG hopefully her neuro's office will be able to accommodate on that but you never know. Its amazing that he has never
suggested it. Will keep you posted.
Update on my daughter's visit to chiro today.
He said her whole body was out of alignment again and that the top of her head (hope I got this right) was basically the only thing holding it all together and proceeded to work on her head, cheekbones, inside her mouth, neck, etc. He said her hip was turned inwards (?) and her knee was out completely. She asked about her Atlas as her neck has been locking and she has been in pain but he said it appeared to be fine - can he actually tell if its fine? She said she was there for quite a long time this session.
She did ask him about the muscle strength around her knee but unfortunately, with all that was going on, she did not get an answer. He said her knee is going inwards and that it could be the result of the accident 6 years ago (I was with her last Tuesday and it was sore but looked fine) and that symptoms can manifest years later. He said to put her knee support back on and her hip belt and he told her to walk home rather than take a cab.
I just remembered we were lifting heavy things around on Tuesday -probably not a good idea!
Are there knee exercises that can strengthen the muscles or should she wait until the sorenes and gets better?
Drury
Really helpful. Thankyou.
Regarding the EMG hopefully her neuro's office will be able to accommodate on that but you never know. Its amazing that he has never
suggested it. Will keep you posted.
Update on my daughter's visit to chiro today.
He said her whole body was out of alignment again and that the top of her head (hope I got this right) was basically the only thing holding it all together and proceeded to work on her head, cheekbones, inside her mouth, neck, etc. He said her hip was turned inwards (?) and her knee was out completely. She asked about her Atlas as her neck has been locking and she has been in pain but he said it appeared to be fine - can he actually tell if its fine? She said she was there for quite a long time this session.
She did ask him about the muscle strength around her knee but unfortunately, with all that was going on, she did not get an answer. He said her knee is going inwards and that it could be the result of the accident 6 years ago (I was with her last Tuesday and it was sore but looked fine) and that symptoms can manifest years later. He said to put her knee support back on and her hip belt and he told her to walk home rather than take a cab.
I just remembered we were lifting heavy things around on Tuesday -probably not a good idea!
Are there knee exercises that can strengthen the muscles or should she wait until the sorenes and gets better?
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Drury wrote: Update on my daughter's visit to chiro today ... She asked about her Atlas as her neck has been locking and she has been in pain but he said it appeared to be fine - can he actually tell if its fine? She said she was there for quite a long time this session.
If it feels better after Dr. Cindrich worked on her neck the atlas should be okay. Craniopathy mostly uses motion palpation to check the AO area.
Are there knee exercises that can strengthen the muscles or should she wait until the sorenes and gets better?
Knees can be strenghtened by the ellipitical trainer and swimming or water aerobics mentioned previously. Weight lifting machines at most gyms, not free weights, can also stengthen the legs. There are many fitness callenstic type routines by females that are also good for the legs. She should find something she likes and stick with it.