Haptenology

[Jerzy]

My theory about predicting, preventing and curing MS and autoimmune diseases. In English: http://www.haptens.republika.pl/haptenology_en.html
In Polish: http://www.haptens.republika.pl/haptenology_pl.html

[RedSonja]

Love the little pictures.

When you have been published in Nature or the BMJ then I might take you seriously. Have you an idea how many quacks come up with these ideas every year? Nice try though.

[Jerzy]

Love the little pictures.

When you have been published in Nature or the BMJ then I might take you seriously. Have you an idea how many quacks come up with these ideas every year? Nice try though.

Newest poster:
http://www.haptens.republika.pl/images/ ... 202010.pdf
What you think about it?

[Jerzy]

I found in the wikipedia a story on a Demon of lust, Asmodeus, which killed seven husbands of Sara on their wedding night before the marriage was consummated. The story is in a Torah scroll in the former Glockengasse Synagogue, Cologne, Germany: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Tobit

Tobias and Sarah pray while the Angel Raphael binds the demon - by Jan Steen (1626-1679). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Jan_S ... _demon.jpg

I suppose that the Demon (MonSter) = HAPTENS, which were in the sweat and odor of Sara. My poster ought to be entitled: Demon (MonSter) is the cause of sudden death, multiple sclerosis and all autoimmune diseases: http://www.haptens.republika.pl/images/haptens.pdf

[LokeRundt]

whoa dude, lay off the crack

[Jerzy]

For several weeks my video about my discovery of the cause of all autoimmune diseases is viewed and evaluated on AUTOIMMUNITY NETWORK, where more than 2,800 scientists and medical doctors exchange views about autoimmune diseases.

For several days everybody can watch this video without logging into AUTOIMMUNITY NETWORK, by clicking the link : http://www2.kenes.com/Autoimmunity/cong ... ideos.aspx This is the second video from the top; on a blue background is the title: "Do I Know the ..." The video can be started by clicking on the triangle in the lower left corner of the movie.

However, if someone wants to write a critique of this video, you should log in to the AUTOIMMUNITY NETWORK.

Criticism of this video is very much needed, because I turn upside down the current views about unknown cause of autoimmune diseases.

Jerzy Grzeszczuk

[DrGeoff]

Criticism of this video is very much needed, because I turn upside down the current views about unknown cause of autoimmune diseases.

So just what is new in your video that you have not said several times before?

OK, so you have a theory. It seems that no-one else wants to take your theory seriously. I read your abstract, and noted that you do not think very much of current MS drugs, describing them as little better than placebo. What do you expect of the current drugs?
They are not intended to cure MS, but to treat the symptoms of MS which they do fairly well (or better).
Quoting the score given one of your papers by a Swedish review panel does not show that the review was unfair - but it does show that the reviewers did think that your submission was very bad indeed.

Like redsonja said, when you can get published in a well-known peer-reviewed journal, or accepted for oral presentation at a reputable international conference, then we will take you seriously.

Geoff

[Jerzy]

...I read your abstract, and noted that you do not think very much of current MS drugs, describing them as little better than placebo. What do you expect of the current drugs?
Geoff

Current MS drugs have many side effects. Placebo has zero side effects. Current MS drugs are worse than placebo.
Current MS drugs are used because the cause of MS is unknown.
If the cause of MS is known, current MS drugs will NOT be used.

Jerzy

[DrGeoff]

Jerzy wrote:

Current MS drugs have many side effects. Placebo has zero side effects. Current MS drugs are worse than placebo.

Let me get this right.
Your abstract said that current MS Drugs are little better than placebo.
Now you say that they are worse than placebo.
Which is it?
And: will you please say which drugs you are writing of?
You are also wrong to say that "Placebo has zero side effects" when there can be a psychological side effect from the lack of effect of a placebo. There can also be a physiological effect from some of the fillers used in the manufacture of placebo tablets.

Sorry Jerzy, you have an unusual theory and you keep making the same argument over and over and over. Is is any surprise that teh general scientific community does not give it any credence?

Geoff

[jerrygallow]

so according to you, 80 percent of MS cases come from an allergic or immune response to OTHER PEOPLE? I'm sorry, but this seems very strange, don't you think. First, MS started around 1830 to 1840. People weren't exposed to other people before then? Second, researches have noted that MS occurs more frequently in farm regions! Rual Canada has a higher rate than crowded Miami or Sao Paulo (the size of New York). Of the twenty or so countries in Asia, the highest rate is not India (very crowded and very low MS), or th Philippines (again, very crowded and yet very low rate), or Singapore (millions of people living on top of each other, yet very low rate)...no, the highest country is...wait for it...Kazakhstan, yes, that's right, Kazakhstan. And what do they do for a living...they raise cows. The answer to MS is on the dairy farm in my opinion. Why does Wisconsin have a higher rate than Michigan when they are the same latitude? I think the answer is dairy farms.

[blossom]

Jerzy wrote:Sorry Jerzy, you have an unusual theory and you keep making the same argument over and over and over. Is is any surprise that teh general scientific community does not give it any credence?

Geoff

yes, it is an unusual theory, but, giveing a mouse a disease that they "think" -"mimmicks" these symptoms someone named "ms" and then selling them to this group of people that have been "branded" with the so called "ms"--that in our sameness we all are different--which is based on "theory" only,--{in the mean time they make a ton of money} at the expense of the patient both health wise and money wise that in some cases have "caused" an untimely death to some or at the least has screwed up a perfectly good liver or other body organs that we can not do without - "yet" i have not heard of any scientifically approved drugs that has "cured" anyone with this so called ms--yes, some have thought it might have slowed it down or whatever-but-as unpredictable as this "so called ms" is--maybe it would have slowed up on it's own-who knows 100 per cent?

there are many at this site that share things that they feel has helped them and that is what is great -- and we've chosen or not chosen to give it a try, and what has helped one didn't help someone else, and scientifically it will never be proven--at least not in my lifetime--and through the yrs. some things that were so called scientifically proven have later been found that the science of that time is proven wrong by the science of today.

so, basically what i'm saying is that jerzy's so called theory pretty much could be as valid as anything else that is on the table "for some". and, i hold respect for him putting it out there for those that choose to listen or partake. -- i doubt very much that he is makeing big bucks or ever will off his theory, and for some it could be the answer. -and i respect and thank him for putting it out there, i have no "scientific proof" not to.

[blossom]

just a thought- why is it that say for me anyway, certain smells can make me puke, and i do mean physically puke "especially some of the high priced perfumes" yet the person wearing it thinks it's great and has no ill effects. another instance is certain smell such as diesel fuel can make my mood from sweet to panic and hateful to headache and even weaker as does other chemicals--and this is just the smell not getting it on me.

[NHE]

Placebo has zero side effects.

In many clinical trials, patients drop out of the placebo arm of the trial due to negative side effects. This is known as the nocebo effect.

http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/e ... -sick.html

[DrGeoff]

Blossom wrote:

yes, it is an unusual theory, but, giveing a mouse a disease that they "think" -"mimmicks" these symptoms someone named "ms" and then selling them to this group of people that have been "branded" with the so called "ms"--that in our sameness we all are different--which is based on "theory" only,--{in the mean time they make a ton of money} at the expense of the patient both health wise and money wise that in some cases have "caused" an untimely death to some or at the least has screwed up a perfectly good liver or other body organs that we can not do without - "yet" i have not heard of any scientifically approved drugs that has "cured" anyone with this so called ms--yes, some have thought it might have slowed it down or whatever-but-as unpredictable as this "so called ms" is--maybe it would have slowed up on it's own-who knows 100 per cent?

Are we to understand, Blossom, that you do not believe that MS exists?
It has been called MS (not "so called ms" ) for nearly 1 1/2 centuries, and it was "the Creeping Palsy" for many years before that.
I am not surprised that you have never heard of any drug that has cures anyone from MS. To my knowledge, there is no drug available anywhere in the world that claims to cure MS.
Perhaps you should learn to differentiate between treating the disease, and treating the symptoms. A DMD that reduces the number and/or strength of relapses is treating the symptoms.

Yes, we all know that MS can slow up on its own, and some people can have remissions that last for several years.
Maybe this would account for all those people who claim to have cured themselves from MS (Follow my diet,buy my book, take my recommended cocktail of supplements, whatever) and make a ton of money from selling, sorry I meant telling us all about it.

Geoff

[HappyPoet]

Hey Gooff,

I'll give you 24 hours to come down off your arrogant high horse to apologize to blossom. You have no freaking idea of what you're talking about, so if you'd like to stay a welcomed member of TiMS, you'll strongly consider a proper apology.

Edit: Forget my post, Gooff. Just go on believing that you've done nothing wrong and that nothing bad will happen to you because of your post--nothing bad at all. But I would like to know if you, an alleged man of science, believe in karma, i.e., do you believe that what goes around, comes around? Do you believe that there are powers out there that you might not know about that could cause the score to become even, so to speak? Do you ever worry that your stuck-up attitude could come back to haunt you in ways you could never fathom? Have you ever heard the expression, "You just pissed off the wrong person?" But have no worries--no worries at all.