Dirty Medicine

[Anonymoose]

Can this thread be locked?

[want2bike]

You have been listening FDA logic. Since we find toxins in nature wouldn't hurt to dump more in the water. That way their friends in the aluminum industry have a way of disposing of their hazardous waste. If you believe that fluoride is a poison it is best to ingest as little as possible. Best to use a reverse osmosis water filter and get as few toxins in your water as possible. Do you think Hitler was giving fluoride to the Jewish people to make them healthy? FDA logic is stupid logic. Comes from the days when the doctors would give people arsenic and mercury in the proper dosage. They were hoping to kill the disease before they killed the patient. They still follow the same logic today. Give the people toxic drugs and we might kill the disease before we kill the patient. Problem is they are killing a lot of patients. If you follow the advice of the FDA(Fraud and Deception Agency) you will never get better. Dr. Bergman has a better way.

[HappyPoet]

In the meantime, you'd better stop drinking water entirely. What does the good doctor Bergman have to say about this?

Since we all do know that life will die without water, your not-so-thinly veiled innuendo for him to "stop drinking water entirely" means that you want him to die. Only a very mentally deranged person would wish another person to die because of something said on an Internet forum. You have a lot of dangerous anger, and I hope you seek professional psychiatric help, preferably with a neuropsychiatrist, before you act out your sick thoughts on someone in the real world.

I recall that your wrote you believe you can cure cancer with apricots. The FDA hasn't banned those, and you don't need to go to Mexico to get them - but feel free to travel there, get some coffee enemas. And be sure to drink plenty of water.

I'm glad I didn't understand your coffee enema comment, but the take-away I get from your thinly veiled innuendo of "be sure to drink plenty of water" is that you want him to become sick from drinking "plenty" of impure Mexican water. Have you ever been diagnosed with any psychotic or sociopathic disorders?


This post of yours comes from another thread:

DrGeoff and JeandeEau:

You both sound like reasonable people, but I have a feeling you're barking up a very wrong tree. From what I've seen on this site, want2bke feels that all disease is due to diet - or vaccines, or dental fillings, or mis-aligned spines, etc. Apparently he or she has never heard of poliomyelitis (caused by a known virus), or metachromatic leukodystrophy, adrenoleukodystrophy, or cystic fibrosis (all terrible genetic diseases).

Oh, and apparently HIV-AIDS shouldn't be treated with anti-retroviral drugs - it should be treated with vitamins and supplements.

newmser, please keep your contributions civil. thank you. please feel free to post conflicting research if you have found studies that demonstrate no influence of nutritional status on resistance to hiv-aids.

http://www.thisisms.com/forum/general-d ... html#p4760
Personal attacks, which can consist of slightly veiled innuendo or sarcastic comments aimed at the poster as opposed to the content of the post, are not tolerated at This is MS. We of course reserve the right to ban or suspend any member who violates this rule.

On this, your first post here, a TiMS' moderator, jimmylegs, felt you needed a public warning, but you obviously didn't respect jimmylegs enough to read and follow the rules. Also, not one of your nine posts is nice, not one, which is another telling sign of your anger issues.

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NHE, newmser's posts on this thread deserve some sort of moderator response. I vote for suspending or banishing newmser and for locking the thread.

Also, you should check to see if newmser's IP address is from the same location/area as C100's IP address--we've had people here before with dual user names, such as Malden, if you remember.

[HarryZ]

In the meantime, you'd better stop drinking water entirely. What does the good doctor Bergman have to say about this?

Since we all do know that life will die without water, your not-so-thinly veiled innuendo for him to "stop drinking water entirely" means that you want him to die. Only a very mentally deranged person would wish another person to die because of something said on an Internet forum. You have a lot of dangerous anger, and I hope you seek professional psychiatric help, preferably with a neuropsychiatrist, before you act out your sick thoughts on someone in the real world.

Poet....can't believe you are interpreting this the way you are!!! You are missing the entire point of the "stop drinking water entirely" comment. It's gone right over your head. Perhaps you are the one who needs psychological help.

[HarryZ]

You have been listening FDA logic. Since we find toxins in nature wouldn't hurt to dump more in the water. That way their friends in the aluminum industry have a way of disposing of their hazardous waste. If you believe that fluoride is a poison it is best to ingest as little as possible. Best to use a reverse osmosis water filter and get as few toxins in your water as possible. Do you think Hitler was giving fluoride to the Jewish people to make them healthy? FDA logic is stupid logic. Comes from the days when the doctors would give people arsenic and mercury in the proper dosage. They were hoping to kill the disease before they killed the patient. They still follow the same logic today. Give the people toxic drugs and we might kill the disease before we kill the patient. Problem is they are killing a lot of patients. If you follow the advice of the FDA(Fraud and Deception Agency) you will never get better. Dr. Bergman has a better way.

How can one argue with this kind of thought process??!! Scarey!

[HappyPoet]

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[HappyPoet]

Harry, I thought about what you said, and I admit that I sometimes have too much of my brother in me--No. 2 at Department of Homeland Security which many members here already know--and let some of that slip into my post to newmser. Thank you for letting me realize I was a bit too harsh with newmser.

newmser, I sincerely apologize for being a bit too harsh about your behavior and using your own words against you in an attempt to make a point about your overall behavior.

Since this is NHE's own thread, he probably won't lock it, but as far as I'm concerned, this thread is finished.

[HarryZ]

Harry, I thought about what you said, and I admit that I sometimes have too much of my brother in me--No. 2 at Department of Homeland Security which many members here already know--and let some of that slip into my post to newmser. Thank you for letting me realize I was a bit too harsh with newmser.

Poet....one of the things I've learned on the net over the years is to not reply to posts until I have read them a few times before replying. And if you don't agree with what a person says, always try and question their opinion as opposed to personal attacks. Sometimes that is difficult especially if personalities get involved.

Take care.

[jimmylegs]

fyi http://www.thisisms.com/forum/general-d ... pic39.html
"the boards are moderated on a volunteer basis-- there are a number of people who have volunteered to keep an eye on the forums to try to make sure things don't get out of hand (illegal ads, personal attacks, revealing personal information, etc.). That being said, we cannot and do not monitor every posting for content-- all problems should be reported to the moderator(s); otherwise assume we have not seen the offending posts"

report flags seem to be most often used by TiMS members in cases of spam or advertising. not sure why folks don't use them when it comes to issues of decorum and civility.

also, there was a time when ccsvi discussion was the big thorn in civility's side here at TiMS. I posted this potentially useful guideline a couple years into the brouhaha:
http://www.thisisms.com/forum/chronic-c ... 17040.html

hope that helps

[NHE]

Since we all do know that life will die without water

Actually, life is more complex. Tardigrades can survive complete dessication.
http://serc.carleton.edu/microbelife/to ... index.html

So can Artemia.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brine_shrimp

[jimmylegs]

they can survive until.... ??? ;)

[centenarian100]

If you are such a healthy person why are you here pushing the use of drugs?

I'm not pushing the use of drugs per se. I'm just criticizing your blanket criticism of all drugs and gave you 100 examples earlier in this thread. I was just trying to make the point that some drugs are beneficial for some conditions and could not get you to concede even this modest claim. You ironically mention naltrexone which is much less clearly beneficial than the 100 examples I gave.

You hear about the old man who smoked cigarettes for 50 years and was still healthy. Guess cigarettes and fluoride are a good thing right?

There is significant epidemiologic evidence that smoking cigarettes increases the risk of lung cancer and coronary artery disease. Not all individuals are affected, and many individuals suffer minimal to no ill effects of smoking cigarettes. Smoking simply statistically increases the likelihood of certain diseases. Do you have any high quality evidence that fluoride in the water is deleterious?

Read the back of your toothpaste and see what you are suppose to do if you swallow the paste.

It is known to be safe to swallow roughly the amount used for brushing teeth, and it says this on the package.

We should have freedom of choice in our country not the FDA telling us they are the only way.

So can I put potent opiates in children's cough medication and sell crack on the street? (which was permissible prior to the FDA)

Or do you only oppose regulation if it goes against your personal treatment preferences?

[HappyPoet]

Hey C, answer these simple questions for us:

Do you or don't you have MS?
What is your real gender?
What is your real occupation?

And you would be wise to answer HONESTLY.

[HarryZ]

And you would be wise to answer HONESTLY.

It's too bad that Wanna can't follow this advice. He appears to be either purposely deceptive, doesn't have an understanding of the English language or is simply trying to have some fun on this forum by not answering questions put forth to him.

[jimmylegs]

2011 rules update
http://www.thisisms.com/forum/general-d ... ml#p172532
"ThisIsMS does not exist to be any particular individual's soapbox from which to conduct a battle. It is not a sporting arena. Flame wars, personal attacks and other antagonistic behavior will not be tolerated. There are other newsgroups and forums where such activity is acceptable. However, it will not be tolerated at ThisIsMS. Where appropriate, as deemed by the forum administrator and the forum moderators, a single warning may be issued and accounts will be closed without prior notice upon continuation of such activity."

again, mods are volunteers and as such TiMS members bear much of the responsibility for bringing issues to our attention - civilly thanks.