Study: Pathology of the Internal Jugular Vein Wall in MS

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Study: Pathology of the Internal Jugular Vein Wall in MS

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From the Journal of Multiple Sclerosis:
The Pathology of the Internal Jugular Vein Wall in Multiple Sclerosis
Massimo Pedriali1 and Paolo Zamboni2*
1Morbid Anatomy Service, Azienda Ospedaliera Universitaria di Ferrara, Ferrara, Italy
2Vascular Diseases Center, University of Ferrara, Ferrara, Italy
Corresponding Author : Paolo Zamboni
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Via Aldo Moro 8, 44124 Cona, Ferrara, Italy
Tel: 390532237694
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Received: September 29 , 2015; Accepted: November 23, 2015; Published: November 30, 2015
If this has already been posted to this forum, I apologize, but I couldn't find it by searching the site, and its an open access article, so I thought people might want to read it. Here's the link to the full article:

http://www.omicsgroup.org/journals/the- ... ?aid=63610

It seems like more evidence that CCSVI is real to me...

...Speaking as a patient of course, I am not a medical professional.
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Thanks for posting, ThisIs!!!
It's a new and very thorough paper from Dr. Zamboni--which explains the obvious and documented differences in the jugular vein lining in normals compared to pwMS.

Take the time to read the full paper---
http://www.omicsgroup.org/journals/the- ... ?aid=63610

You'll see that endothelial cells are damaged and missing in the walls of jugular veins in pwMS. This creates actual gaps in the lining, and changes the ability of the jugular vein to function correctly. There are also abnormalities noted in jugular veins of pwMS, including missing and damaged valves, webs and other growths and malformations which inhibit good blood flow back to the heart. Establishing the science behind CCSVI is essential, and this paper is adding another peer-reviewed and published link to the very large and growing stack of evidence linking CCSVI, slowed cerebral perfusion and MS.
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I have tried to e,mail or phone to Dr Zamboni and I could 'nt. I wanted to ask him what his opinion about vein transplant from the leg to the
neck. Do you know the answer or how to rich him?
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Dr. Paolo Zamboni is head of the vascular department at the University of Ferrara in Italy.
here is all of his contact info:
http://docente.unife.it/paolo.zamboni/

Dr. Zamboni recently gave a presentation on open surgery and vein replacement for CCSVI--
http://www.tctmd.com/show.aspx?id=133231

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Thank you, I'll contact him again
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My thanks to cheerleader (Joan Beal) and Dr. P. Zamboni for all their work.
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It's quite impossible to talk to him. I wanted to know if after, since 2010 and 2015, the transplanted veins are still ok.
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The morphology of endothelial cells at SEM in the IJV of MS patients is certainly the most resounding aspect of the jugular pathology by comparing with control tissue. There is no need of sophisticated techniques to appreciate the difference because morphology speaks for itself.


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Over the past few years there has been increasing evidence that tight junctions can be attacked and damaged by viruses in order to complete their cycle. Viruses from at least nine different families have been reported to exploit the tight junction proteins [50].
When you see the phrase "tight junctions" think "Blood-Brain Barrier".
The aspects of the valve surface showed in Fig. 6 cannot exclude that intraluminal fibrosis could be a result from a past, resolved inflammatory or thrombotic process that involved the wall of the IJV. From this point of view some authors quite recently hypothesized a post infective origin of CCSVI in course of MS, focused on clamidia pneumofila [46,47].
Straingauge plethysmography showed a faster flow in healthy controls when they pass from supine to upright posture, 2.73ml/sec on average, respect to MS patients who discharged the venous blood through the neck at 1.73ml/sec [51]. Same conclusions were drawn by Doepp et al. measuring flow in the upper part of the neck by the means of echocolorDoppler. The Authors demonstrate a much larger change in blood flow in normal subject compared to MS patients when the subject go from supine to upright position [52]. Veroux et al., by the means of catheter venography, measured a cut-off of 4 sec to separate normal from abnormal contrast dye clearance time, following a standardized injection in the IJV. Almost 80% of MS patients showed a delayed clearance time in at least one IJV [53]. This result was mirrored by Mancini et al by the means of contrast enhanced ultrasound, which demonstrate a significant reduction of clearance time in the IJV of MS patients respect to healthy controls, when injected with standardized contrast micro bubbles [54]. Interestingly these Authors also found a significant inverted correlation between the delayed IJV contrast clearance and the level of disability, since slower flow corresponded to higher expanded disability severity score.
It seems IJV morphology in MS may be why I'm always falling, and waiting 10 seconds after standing up before trying to move around, may be a very good idea.

Speculation about what causes demyelination...
Oligodendrocyte is particularly vulnerable by reduced perfusion, and speculatively we may hypothesize that demyelination could be related to less efficient mitochondrial activity and myelin synthesis in these specialized cells. This seems to be confirmed by the observation that in early stages axon injury and loss of myelin are documented in the absence of any inflammatory and immune cells infiltration. Only subsequently macrophages migrate to take-up myelin debris, which are powerful chemo-tactic stimuli [63,64]. We believe that the contribution of brain drainage to inflammation, perfusion and CSF flow warrants further research because are all aspects involved in the complex MS pathogenesis, where the contribution of the IJV restricted flow in consequence of the herein described pathology cannot be further neglected.
So are there any questions?
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Thanks for your posting, but all I wanted was to speak to Prof. Zamboni about the transplant veins. Even, according to his work, 85% of good results, there are 15% of people of not so good. I wanted to know how are they now.
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I usually write to people who write a lot of papers through their publishers or directly to or in care of email addresses that appear in the journals or on PubMed or so... Sometimes, If they can help me, or want to elucidate, or if I have something relevant to say, they will answer. Most are good that way.
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Hi mtf,

In the study I provided a link to at the beginning of this thread, the study lists contact information for Dr. Zamboni, including a different email address from the one Cheer provided. You could try the following email address:
Corresponding Author : Paolo Zamboni
Vascular Diseases Center, University of Ferrara
Via Aldo Moro 8, 44124 Cona, Ferrara, Italy
Tel: 390532237694
E-mail: paolozamboni@icloud.com
I hope you're able to find answers to your questions,

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This paper seems to me a milestone in MS physiology: it seems very clear to me that people with MS have lesions in their veins, that do not lead directly to nerve demyelination, but are very bad news for cerebro-spinal circulation due to their direct changes to venous structure. They are, apparently, easy to see with the naked eye but he also looked at them with a scanning electron microscope. Is this not the primary physiology of MS?
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1eye wrote:Is this not the primary physiology of MS?
Yes, that's what is so d*** exciting about CCSVI. The case is cracked. It needs to be processed and understood and brought into treatments as a mainstream solution, but the case is cracked. Maybe not for everyone. There is a wide umbrella of MS courses and symptomatology and some cases of MS may have a different origin. And fixing the initiating issue does not fix the very real neuron damage that has resulted or any aberrant immune responses that have resulted. Even in those cases, ccsvi treatment can allow for healing if ongoing damage is stopped. The body wants to heal. Papers like this one are difficult to read because they are technical but we were treated to some very good training in Dr. Sclafani's thread. I remain deeply enthusiastic about CCSVI and what it will mean to the MS community as the ball keeps rolling and evidence accumulates.
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