AndrewKFletcher wrote:Dr Chantler FSIDozarkcanoer wrote:I have been thinking about American babies who sleep flat on their backs in cribs, vs babies whose mothers carry them around in slings or the Native American papooses. I wonder if we should be inclining the cradles and cribs of our children ?
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Of Sudden Infant Deaths Syndrome
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Tuesday 24th November 1998.
CC BBC TV, CC Westcountry TV.
Dear Dr Chantler
Many children have died needlessly since I first contacted the FSID and spoke with you in person.
Since the early part of 1995 I have been working with and helping people who suffer from serious illnesses, using exactly the same intervention that I proposed to you in 1995.
During my early attempts to gain publicity for my work and in doing so raise awareness that horizontal bed rest and humidity are the primary cause of cot deaths, I was informed by a reporter that publicity was prevented due to advice from your foundation.
Whether this actually happened is of little significance now. The Foundations negligence ignorance, stupidity and contempt towards my research has caused the deaths of these children and will continue to do so as long as you keep promoting your “Back to HORIZONTAL Sleep Campaign”.
I have made a prediction that cot deaths will rise significantly in 1998 and you have confirmed receipt of this letter and prediction, which was also c.c.’d to the local BBC and Westcountry TV stations.
The paper which I sent you a copy of the abstract is merely an echo of the many hundreds of published papers relating to the harmful effects of horizontal bed rest on healthy and otherwise people.
Similar postural experiments with animals and space travel also support the fact that gravity is of paramount importance to the well-being of everything that lives here on Earth. Including YOU!
Furthermore the work of Leslie Munroe relating to high risk areas for cot deaths and low-lying river valley areas proves that humidity and moisture are a main consideration in the onset of statistically significant elevations in the number of cot deaths. This alone should give credence to my prediction for 1998.
I went to a solicitor on Monday 24th November 98, to see if it would be possible to start legal proceedings against the Foundation for the Study Of Sudden Infant Death. I was advised that there is no precedent in law for making people listen, even if the lives of children are at stake. Financially I stood to lose my home, as I have no moneys to pursue this, even if I won I have nothing to gain financially! Yet I was prepared to risk all to save the lives of these babies. Not to mention the devastation it causes to the families.
The evidences I have accumulated, over all of these years, as you well know is irrefutable. Yet a foundation which attracts funds for preventing the loss of such innocence, has refused time and time again to consider that advise of one man in a wilderness of hypocrisy who claims to hold the answer.
When my day comes, and it will! I will take no pleasure in exposing your organisation for what you haven’t done!
Sincerely
Andrew K Fletcher.
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Pain gone in 15 minutes using Inclined Therapy
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Thank you for dropping a line to let us know you are trying I.T. Your results so far must be encouraging for those wanting to try it, although there is still a great deal of healthy scepticism attributed to Inclined Therapy due to it’s simplicity and my lack of medical qualifications no doubt.
Imagine if your result directly followed a stent procedure how this board would have reacted to it. “15 minutes after surgery my pain was gone for the first time in 17 years” Headlines all over the world.
Yet your report is no less important than if it had been the result of a surgical procedure in fact it is a thousand times more important for those considering surgery and should awaken a few questions at least, yet like Foreverspring’s amazing improvements only silence befalls the forum. I guess people would rather believe you and Foreverspring are fictional characters in the latest Harry Potter movie than accept something as simple as avoiding a flat bed could have such a profound affect in 15 minutes.
For some people results will be instantly recognised, for others it takes months for them to realise significant changes taking place. And for a few who tilt their beds they become frustrated because recovery takes more than 2 weeks so inevitably revert back to a flat bed. “A flat bed that has never been clinically tested in a controlled study against an inclined bed. Now there’s a thought for doubters. Who was the person that decided the entire human race needs to sleep on a flat bed? What were his or her qualifications and where is the data to suggest this method of sleeping is the safest?
Can’t wait to hear more about your and your mums experiences with I.T. say hi to her from me and wish you both a happy Christmas and an even happier New Year.
Andrew
Thank you for dropping a line to let us know you are trying I.T. Your results so far must be encouraging for those wanting to try it, although there is still a great deal of healthy scepticism attributed to Inclined Therapy due to it’s simplicity and my lack of medical qualifications no doubt.
Imagine if your result directly followed a stent procedure how this board would have reacted to it. “15 minutes after surgery my pain was gone for the first time in 17 years” Headlines all over the world.
Yet your report is no less important than if it had been the result of a surgical procedure in fact it is a thousand times more important for those considering surgery and should awaken a few questions at least, yet like Foreverspring’s amazing improvements only silence befalls the forum. I guess people would rather believe you and Foreverspring are fictional characters in the latest Harry Potter movie than accept something as simple as avoiding a flat bed could have such a profound affect in 15 minutes.
For some people results will be instantly recognised, for others it takes months for them to realise significant changes taking place. And for a few who tilt their beds they become frustrated because recovery takes more than 2 weeks so inevitably revert back to a flat bed. “A flat bed that has never been clinically tested in a controlled study against an inclined bed. Now there’s a thought for doubters. Who was the person that decided the entire human race needs to sleep on a flat bed? What were his or her qualifications and where is the data to suggest this method of sleeping is the safest?
Can’t wait to hear more about your and your mums experiences with I.T. say hi to her from me and wish you both a happy Christmas and an even happier New Year.
Andrew
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Interesting.sunlounger wrote:Hi Andrew,
I have been trying I.T for the last 7 nights with the bed inclined by 6ins..
But after the first night the spactisty and stiffness in my legs has increased by a large amount.
Could you tell me if this is common and how long it normally lasts ?
Many thanks
Not common but has happend before. First 2 weeks can be very rough for some, with aches, increased spasm, diuretic effect of the bed, increased pain increased muscle and joint stiffness, in the neck and upper spine usually, but this eases off around 4 weeks. Skin crawling with fire ants was another description from someone trying it.
Spinal cord injury using I.T. also follows the same increases in pain and discomfort.
Thank you for your post
It may be that you are experiencing a relapse at the time you tilted the bed.
Something is definately happening either way.
We cannot rule out either that Inclined Therapy may be causing this for you, only time will tell.
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It is interesting to wonder how/if sleeping on a flat bed contributes in some way to the vein stenosis, early on in life. Someone mentioned about inclining cribs. I have 4 children, and knowing what I know now I would definately do it. I hate to go there, but think about SIDS. It's pretty much an unknown phenomenon, but since it does deal with a lack of oxygen issue, it seems like it could possibly be related. Also, did anyone else have a waterbed when they were growing up? I've slept on a waterbed from the time I was 10 yrs. until I moved out at 17. I wonder what effect this has on a growing and developing body?
Hi everyone,
I inclined my bed a few weeks ago according to specs and for the first week and a half, I did not have any issues. I woke each morning feeling great, although admittedly, I haven't had many issues thus far with regard to my MS. Then unexpectedly, this past Tuesday morning, I woke up with some numbness in my feet. By the next morning, I had complete numbness in both feet and a small amount in my face. I immediately stopped taking the supplements I was taking (mostly iron chelators) and lowered my bed back down. It's now Sunday and my feet and face are still numb. I woke this morning and did notice that upon rising from my flat bed, I felt extremely dizzy and "out of sorts". I tried staring Neurontin yesterday to see if it would make a difference. So far, nothing, although I know it's probably too soon to tell if it will work. My question is this.... could it be non-MS related? I've never experienced this symptom before, though I understand it's quite common in MS'ers. I was considering going to my Chiropractor to see if some minor adjustments may relieve the numbness, but I am a little hesitant. Any thoughts on this? I'm open!!
Jen
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LDN - 4.5mg 06/09
I inclined my bed a few weeks ago according to specs and for the first week and a half, I did not have any issues. I woke each morning feeling great, although admittedly, I haven't had many issues thus far with regard to my MS. Then unexpectedly, this past Tuesday morning, I woke up with some numbness in my feet. By the next morning, I had complete numbness in both feet and a small amount in my face. I immediately stopped taking the supplements I was taking (mostly iron chelators) and lowered my bed back down. It's now Sunday and my feet and face are still numb. I woke this morning and did notice that upon rising from my flat bed, I felt extremely dizzy and "out of sorts". I tried staring Neurontin yesterday to see if it would make a difference. So far, nothing, although I know it's probably too soon to tell if it will work. My question is this.... could it be non-MS related? I've never experienced this symptom before, though I understand it's quite common in MS'ers. I was considering going to my Chiropractor to see if some minor adjustments may relieve the numbness, but I am a little hesitant. Any thoughts on this? I'm open!!
Jen
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Hi Jenjenf wrote:Hi everyone,
I inclined my bed a few weeks ago according to specs and for the first week and a half, I did not have any issues. I woke each morning feeling great, although admittedly, I haven't had many issues thus far with regard to my MS. Then unexpectedly, this past Tuesday morning, I woke up with some numbness in my feet. By the next morning, I had complete numbness in both feet and a small amount in my face. I immediately stopped taking the supplements I was taking (mostly iron chelators) and lowered my bed back down. It's now Sunday and my feet and face are still numb. I woke this morning and did notice that upon rising from my flat bed, I felt extremely dizzy and "out of sorts". I tried staring Neurontin yesterday to see if it would make a difference. So far, nothing, although I know it's probably too soon to tell if it will work. My question is this.... could it be non-MS related? I've never experienced this symptom before, though I understand it's quite common in MS'ers. I was considering going to my Chiropractor to see if some minor adjustments may relieve the numbness, but I am a little hesitant. Any thoughts on this? I'm open!!
Jen
RRMS - dx 06/09
LDN - 4.5mg 06/09
Is there is a problem with humidity in the home or in the surrounding area? Damp air heavy? River valley area? Coastal area? Drying washing on the radiators is another possibility?
Another possibility is drugs have been shown to increase potency using I.T. This was shown in a case with Parkinsons's Disease, reducing the dose by first a half then halved again to find the correct level of levadopa.
Thank you for mentioning this.
Andrew
Hi Andrew,
I live in upstate NY, and we've had EXTREMELY cold weather the past few weeks. It's been barely 20 degrees some days, so the humidity is very low here. I did notice a rash forming on my chest, so I suspect it's somehow related to the numbness in my feet and face, and not the inclined bed. I'm not sure if I mentioned in my post that I woke up this morning on my flat bed and was EXTREMELY dizzy when I got up. This was not happening on the inclined bed. I think I'll incline it again as I may very well be barking up the wrong tree. Thanks for your quick reply!
Jen
RRMS - dx 06/09
LDN - 4.5 mg 06/09
LDN - 3.0mg 12/09
I live in upstate NY, and we've had EXTREMELY cold weather the past few weeks. It's been barely 20 degrees some days, so the humidity is very low here. I did notice a rash forming on my chest, so I suspect it's somehow related to the numbness in my feet and face, and not the inclined bed. I'm not sure if I mentioned in my post that I woke up this morning on my flat bed and was EXTREMELY dizzy when I got up. This was not happening on the inclined bed. I think I'll incline it again as I may very well be barking up the wrong tree. Thanks for your quick reply!
Jen
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LDN - 4.5 mg 06/09
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Hi Jen
Tilting the bed might to some sound like it won't / can't have an affect. But this is very far from the mark. Tilting the bed to 6 inches in the first 2 weeks is taking the bull by the horns. Begining at 4 inches is advisable for a few weeks then raising slowly.
Might be worth easing into the full incline?
Tilting the bed might to some sound like it won't / can't have an affect. But this is very far from the mark. Tilting the bed to 6 inches in the first 2 weeks is taking the bull by the horns. Begining at 4 inches is advisable for a few weeks then raising slowly.
Might be worth easing into the full incline?
Hi Andrew,
Thank you.. and yes, I had started at the 4" incline as opposed to the 6". I was afraid I'd fall off my bed if I started that high! I had no issues at all with that incline and as I mentioned, while I didn't notice any difference, I did notice a difference when I slept flat. This morning wasn't the first time I had slept on a flat bed after inclining mine a few weeks ago. The dizziness occurs whenever I sleep flat now. So I will re-incline my bed to your recommended specs of 4" for the first few weeks. Someone had suggested that it may be Sciatica related, but now with the accompanying rash, I suspect it's related somehow.
I swear, with all the research I've done with regard to MS, I could have earned my medical degree by now!!!
Jen
Thank you.. and yes, I had started at the 4" incline as opposed to the 6". I was afraid I'd fall off my bed if I started that high! I had no issues at all with that incline and as I mentioned, while I didn't notice any difference, I did notice a difference when I slept flat. This morning wasn't the first time I had slept on a flat bed after inclining mine a few weeks ago. The dizziness occurs whenever I sleep flat now. So I will re-incline my bed to your recommended specs of 4" for the first few weeks. Someone had suggested that it may be Sciatica related, but now with the accompanying rash, I suspect it's related somehow.
I swear, with all the research I've done with regard to MS, I could have earned my medical degree by now!!!
Jen
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Hi Jen
Sleeping flat for even one night can negate weeks of improvements from I.T.
Erika reverted back for 7 days sleeping flat, her headaches and nausia returned.
Having reverted back to flat it comes as no surprise that you can determine the difference.
When people tilt their beds, they seldom notice many subtle changes, why would they? Does anyone ever complain about feeling better?
If yu can avoid sleeping flat by any means it is worth trying this method for at least 4 weeks straight.
Andrew
Sleeping flat for even one night can negate weeks of improvements from I.T.
Erika reverted back for 7 days sleeping flat, her headaches and nausia returned.
Having reverted back to flat it comes as no surprise that you can determine the difference.
When people tilt their beds, they seldom notice many subtle changes, why would they? Does anyone ever complain about feeling better?
If yu can avoid sleeping flat by any means it is worth trying this method for at least 4 weeks straight.
Andrew
Hi Andrew and all,
Just wanted to give an update. I slept away from home Friday and had to sleep on a flat bed. My leg and back hurt all night. I only got 3 hours of sleep and felt terrible all day saturday. Also my brain fog was worse on saturday. Last night I was back in my inclined bed and I had no pain in my leg. I awoke this morning and felt rested and my mind was clearer. Another thing I've noticed is less pain in my shoulder. I have been diagnosed with arthritis. Normally when I sleep on my side my shoulder hurts but the pain has subsided somewhat from sleeping on the inclined bed.
My mom continues to get the "best sleep I've had in 30 years" as she puts it. She has not snored since starting this and says she has had more energy.
More updates will follow! For everyone trying this just hang in there. This therapy is FREE! You have nothing to lose and everything to gain. If it only helps one or two of your problems it is well worth the effort of sleeping...
. Think about all the medications and therapies that you have tried. I have tried many and so has my mother. Everything we tried cost time and money. For my mom and I this hasn't cost anything. We all have to sleep anyway. For those of you that do not sleep well you know how important a full nights sleep can be. If this therapy only helps you sleep better it is well worth doing.
Thank you all for continuing to share your experiences with IBT as well as all the other forums on this site! Every post helps someone in some way!
Just wanted to give an update. I slept away from home Friday and had to sleep on a flat bed. My leg and back hurt all night. I only got 3 hours of sleep and felt terrible all day saturday. Also my brain fog was worse on saturday. Last night I was back in my inclined bed and I had no pain in my leg. I awoke this morning and felt rested and my mind was clearer. Another thing I've noticed is less pain in my shoulder. I have been diagnosed with arthritis. Normally when I sleep on my side my shoulder hurts but the pain has subsided somewhat from sleeping on the inclined bed.
My mom continues to get the "best sleep I've had in 30 years" as she puts it. She has not snored since starting this and says she has had more energy.
More updates will follow! For everyone trying this just hang in there. This therapy is FREE! You have nothing to lose and everything to gain. If it only helps one or two of your problems it is well worth the effort of sleeping...
. Think about all the medications and therapies that you have tried. I have tried many and so has my mother. Everything we tried cost time and money. For my mom and I this hasn't cost anything. We all have to sleep anyway. For those of you that do not sleep well you know how important a full nights sleep can be. If this therapy only helps you sleep better it is well worth doing. Thank you all for continuing to share your experiences with IBT as well as all the other forums on this site! Every post helps someone in some way!
Gonna give it a try
Been reading in here along with a lot of others after watching the ctv story. I don't suffer from MS but think it's incredibly interesting to watch everything that is happening with this. I hope for the best with it and for all of you!
This IT is interesting though, so I've signed up and am giving it a try. I have vericose veins in my left leg. My ankle is pretty fugly to look at sometimes and I wear compression socks for it. I also have sleep apnea that apparently(according to friends and family) is unmatched in the snoring community. The symphony orchestra stories made me chuckle but also made me think this was well worth a try at least.
So I figure, why not? I can easily do that to my bed and give it a shot. It took me about 5 mins to walk out to the back yard shed and grab some 4inch blocks that were out there. Once I had them in I couldn't figure out how anyone could slide out of that. So I grabbed some 2 inch blocks and added them. I have a memory foam mattress so I'm not worried about falling out of it.
I'll be able to sleep in there no problem, so leaving it set up like that for a few months won't be a problem. I'll leave updates about changes if I see any. I'll post a pic of the veins later.
One friendly suggestion: You should go to the first page of your thread in the gen disc. forum and shrink those pics down or crop them. They are so wide that they make the page unreadable if you don't have a wide screen monitor. A lot of people, me included, just click to the next page when they see boarder busting pics like that.
This IT is interesting though, so I've signed up and am giving it a try. I have vericose veins in my left leg. My ankle is pretty fugly to look at sometimes and I wear compression socks for it. I also have sleep apnea that apparently(according to friends and family) is unmatched in the snoring community. The symphony orchestra stories made me chuckle but also made me think this was well worth a try at least.
So I figure, why not? I can easily do that to my bed and give it a shot. It took me about 5 mins to walk out to the back yard shed and grab some 4inch blocks that were out there. Once I had them in I couldn't figure out how anyone could slide out of that. So I grabbed some 2 inch blocks and added them. I have a memory foam mattress so I'm not worried about falling out of it.
I'll be able to sleep in there no problem, so leaving it set up like that for a few months won't be a problem. I'll leave updates about changes if I see any. I'll post a pic of the veins later.
One friendly suggestion: You should go to the first page of your thread in the gen disc. forum and shrink those pics down or crop them. They are so wide that they make the page unreadable if you don't have a wide screen monitor. A lot of people, me included, just click to the next page when they see boarder busting pics like that.
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Thanks for adding your post and yes your varicose problem even though is non-ms related it will prove very interesting for people reading this forum. I predict that in 4 weeks of Inclined Therapy you will see a reduction in the size of your vein. Your photographs are important to us with regards to CCSVI. Thanks for offering to help.
I agree about the VV pictures being too large, unfortunately they are on Alun's photobucket. Alun is sending me the originals on a disk so I can crop them and reduce the size. Thanks for letting me know about the problem viewing them on smaller screens.
Good luck with the snoring and apnea.
Andrew
Thanks for adding your post and yes your varicose problem even though is non-ms related it will prove very interesting for people reading this forum. I predict that in 4 weeks of Inclined Therapy you will see a reduction in the size of your vein. Your photographs are important to us with regards to CCSVI. Thanks for offering to help.
I agree about the VV pictures being too large, unfortunately they are on Alun's photobucket. Alun is sending me the originals on a disk so I can crop them and reduce the size. Thanks for letting me know about the problem viewing them on smaller screens.
Good luck with the snoring and apnea.
Andrew