Inclined Bed Therapy

[AndrewKFletcher]

Hi Andrew
I'm a 56 year old male living in the united states with secondary progressive MS.I took Avonex for one year Rebif for six months and continued to get worse.So I turned to the internet and
found LDN been on 4.5 for 1.5 years. I didn't get the results that some people talk of but getting off of the MS drugs with all the bad side effects I was able to stop the medication for
urinary urgency and the medication for depression.I give a lot of credit to the LDN for stopping
the progression and helping to get off of the medication that I mentioned. I raised my bed 6
inches 12-2-09 the things that I have noticed are the urinary urgency that the LDN helped
with are all most all gone- the muscle cramps (or Charley horses) that I was having a lot of
are gone. Fourteen years ago I lost sight in my right eye from optic neuritis it took about a
year to get better but only about 80 percent better but now it seams that I can see better out of
that eye.I have toe drag and a weak ankle in my left leg and have to wear a brace to walk that
hasn't got any better but the leg was cold all the time that's a lot better. Any way I would like to
help with your study but I take a supplement called (Natto Serrazime) one twice daily this
supplement doesn't thin the blood but it makes it flow better. And a lot of vitamins I wounder if this would make me not eligible?
Thanks for all that you're doing to help Andrew

Patches

You just did help this study! A lot!

I hope Franz Schelling Paolo Zamboni, Simka, Dake et al have been following these threads.
The Hipocratic Oath dictates do no harm. Surely we have already seen enough evidence that surgery should be a last resort and Inclined Therapy should be the first move for anyone with multiple sclerosis?

Your post also proves the results in the first and second pilot studies.

Now to help you regain the rest of your lost function:

First of all purchase a humidity meter and pay attention to how high the humidity is in your bedroom at night. We are looking for around 50% or less for optimum benefits from I.T. If you find it is higher, then you must consider obtaining a dehumidifier and leaving it running in the hallway with bedroom door open at night.

A dryer atmosphere together with the inclined bed is a useful tool for recovery.

Pauline, a lady from the first study was first to try this combination and her results were unprecedented, in that each time she used the dehumidifier, her dropped foot problem became better by morning. When she didn't use it and the humidity was higher, her dropped foot would be back the next morning.

This "for me and Pauline" provided the icing on the cake for my theory on density flow in the circulation.

The next thing I want you to do is to modify your sitting posture during the day, so that whenever you sit, your bottom is higher or at least level with your knees. Never sit with your knees higher. (bucket type / wheelchair posture) makes sense when density flow is taken into account and compromises the circulation in several ways. Pressure on the buttocks from the weight of your frame pressing against the tissue beneath your pelvis is the main problem, and this applies to all forms of sitting. However, sitting with your seat higher than your knees affords an increase in circulation to your legs, which means the circulation throughout your body is also improved.

This means that the lymphatic and cerebrospinal fluid is also improved during the day, so coupled with the obvious benefits you have already found on the inclined bed, we should see a marked difference in a relatively short period of time.

Secondary and primary ms has not been shown to improve using venous surgery, certainly no where near the improvements you and others have reported.

We are all hungry for more reports from people trying I.T. for ms so if you are reading this and have something to add, please write it here or in the other Inclined Bed Therapy threads.

Would like to know more about your journey using I.T. What was it like when you first tilted your bed? How long before you noticed improvements? Have you noticed changes in hair and finger / toe nail growth? Muscle density changes? Strength, endurance, sensitivity, sleep quality, wake up compared to sleeping flat? bouts of optic neuritis? Did you have any signs of good days and bad days and if soo were these linked to weather changes?

Where did you find out about I.T.?

Patch, thank you thank you thank you on behalf of everyone here for joining us and adding your voice to I.T.

Andrew

[AndrewKFletcher]

Just short report:
this is my morning number 6 on flat bed again: no headache in the morning so far, I only have usual backache as always because of my spina bifida.
No nausea either.
Erika

Hi Erika

Good news, glad your headache has not come back.

Regarding your back ache, it appears that your spina bifida problem made your experience with I.T. more uncomfortable, but I suspect the tension on your spine was correcting your posture and also assisting changes in the muscles and joints. While this does not ease your pain and increases your backache, something was obviously happening to your spine.

Scoliosis has been corrected in quite a few people over the years, or at least greatly improved using I.T. but there have also been reports of increased pain and discomfort.

4 months of I.T is the target for improvements. However, no one other than you has reported using I.T. for spina bifida.

It may be that now this information is circulating faster, "for which I am extremely greatful", someone else with SB will inevitably find us and give I.T. the benefit of the doubt. Hoefully not too far away and we can find out more from their experiences to see if their sb changes.

Erika, thank you for helping me understand how I.T. has affected your SB.

Kind regards

Andrew

[Jasmine]

Hi I just wanted to feed back on my IT experience. I tilted my bed last weekend, and find it very comfortable. In fact I'm not really aware of it being at an angle. I can't comment on effects to my sleep since I take LDN and so sleep very well any way. I think I've had less vibrations down my legs but it is hard to tell as this varies so much on a daily basis - but I have noticed I've hardly had this symptom at all all week. I have also started taking Samento this week so this will confuse the picture but its unlikely the samento can have affected this yet since I am only taking a very small dose of this.

I found out about IT therapy on the net, I can't really remember how I stumbled across it - probably when looking into CCSVI treatment on this web site and from there found you had a facebook page, so I contacted you and went from there (Lisa).

I love the thought that when i go to bed I'm making my self and my husband more healthy! I've just ordered a humidity meter to look at that too.

So I think thats all for now. Just for a little bit of history about me and my MS -I have RRMS and have only had this a year - I went straight onto LDN which stabilised the MS immediately so I have only one mld relapse since the initial very big onset of MS, and this relapse was caused by having holiday immunisations. I do have permanent sensory problems caused by the first relapse which was a transverse myelitis at C6 - so just about as bad as it gets, hence why it is so important I do all I can for this lesion to fully heal: I really don't fancy only being able to move my head and nothing else - I'm only 34! So I'll do everything I can. Which is why I'm really chuffed I found out abut IT.

Will let you know how the humidity meter goes.

Lisa

[cinder21]

I have quietly been on IT for 3 weeks now. I rose it first to 3 or 4 inches. I started feeling wierd things in my head (pressure buildup in certain places and migrain like pains lasting for seconds) which scared me quite a bit at first. After these feelings left, i raised it to its present position of 7 inches. I now sleep so well.

Improvements:

- My legs are about 30-40 % stronger. Especially on my most affected side (left)

- Overall my muscles tremble less (20%)

- Brain fog has improved significantly (60%)

- Short term memory Better (60%)

- Urinary urgency better (50%)

- eyesight 20% better

- heat fatigue almost non existent now

Some symptoms like my facial weakness is still quite the same. AM guessing where there's myeline damage it will take some time. But interestingly, i almost sound like i just came from being liberated. Hopefully this continues till january next year when i should be going to Dr.Simka

[Patches]

Thanks for the words of encouragement Andrew
I first heard of raising the head of my bead from one of the Low Dose Naltrexone Forums
but brushed it off thinking how could that help.But when I started reading about CCSVI I
started researching INCLINED BED THERAPY on the internet. I watched your videos on
utube. I read about ForeverSpring and her success. I also read about Pauline and her success
with a dehumidifier. So I started checking the humidity in my bedroom at night it's been between 47 and 52 percent. The outside temperature at night has been about 20 degrees.
I Googled humidity and found a chart that said that if the outdoor temperature is+20 and
above the indoor recommended humidity levels should be 35% to40%. So I ordered A
dehumidifier it should be hear Monday what do you think? There have been some other
things that I have noticed like the L'hermitte's in my neck- the numbness in my hands- how
I can find the gas peddle better but they might be good day bad day stuff so I'm not sure??
I read about how you think the slow moving blood leaves salts and iron deposits behind. Ive been
a farmer all my life and I think about how the slow moving water will leave mud behind and
fill my ditches up. But if I speed up the water it cleans the ditches out. SO I AGREE.

Patches

[Algis]

@Patches: I love your model analogy with the ditch and the mud: that's exactly what I think is going on. Now if the mud contains iron; bet the soil around the ditch will be high in iron...

[AndrewKFletcher]

Hi Lisa

Thanks for helping others with your posts. Early days yet so I understand your not having a great deal to report.

First 2 weeks can be uncomfortable and it looks like youve survived them.

Next few weeks should be interesting.

Andrew

[AndrewKFletcher]

I have quietly been on IT for 3 weeks now. I rose it first to 3 or 4 inches. I started feeling wierd things in my head (pressure buildup in certain places and migrain like pains lasting for seconds) which scared me quite a bit at first. After these feelings left, i raised it to its present position of 7 inches. I now sleep so well.

Improvements:

- My legs are about 30-40 % stronger. Especially on my most affected side (left)

- Overall my muscles tremble less (20%)

- Brain fog has improved significantly (60%)

- Short term memory Better (60%)

- Urinary urgency better (50%)

- eyesight 20% better

- heat fatigue almost non existent now

Some symptoms like my facial weakness is still quite the same. AM guessing where there's myeline damage it will take some time. But interestingly, i almost sound like i just came from being liberated. Hopefully this continues till january next year when i should be going to Dr.Simka

Indeed you do sound like someone who is being liberated without any surgery.

The short term memory recovery was also reported in the first pilot study for people with ms. This is very interesting because it opens up other possibilities with age related memory loss and possibly Alzheimer’s.

The significance of people dreaming and remembering dreams warrants further investigation on a controlled study. Again after 16 years, it is obvious that such a study is only going to be achieved when this is investigated by a hospital, sleep centre, or University. We will probably have to wait for the dinosaurs to die off first however.

The sight improvements again have been reported many times and we should expect to read some more reports as the weeks pass.

[AndrewKFletcher]

Patches, I too like your analogy. In fact it was my own interest in an irrigation project that led on to this discovery.

Irrigation in arid lands leaves behind crystals of salt on the surface of the soil, due to the very high evaporation rates. Except where trees were present. They have obviously overcome the problem of salination so my question then was what are these trees doing with the salts?

It turns out that forestry is very good at lifting heavy metals from the soils and locking them away in the timber for many years.

You have related to blood circulation. However, the same must apply to the flow of fluids throughout the body, not just the bloodflow, but the lymph flow, the cerebrospinal fluid flow, urinary flow, the flow of fluids in the skin, the flow of fluids in the eyes, everything circulates. Understanding circulation is the key to unlocking many illnesses.

Sedimentary deposits just like your mud analogy can be brought back into the circulation, providing we understand how to keep it flowing.

Old scar tissue, evident from many years previous has become smooth and raised scar tissue has become level with the skin.

Even scars on my own thumb nail healed using I.T.

Burns heal faster, Bruises vanish quicker, finger and toe nails grow faster, become smoother.

However, some people shed their toe nails and grew smoother ones to replace them.

Andrew

[kc]

Andrew,
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I started IT therapy on dec 10th. The last two nights I have slept thru the WHOLE night without having to get up and go to the bathroom! There have been times when I would have to get up every 1.5 hours to go, I am also on 2.0mg ldn which I started in 2004.
I am gonna keep going


kc

[AndrewKFletcher]

Andrew,
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I started IT therapy on dec 10th. The last two nights I have slept thru the WHOLE night without having to get up and go to the bathroom! There have been times when I would have to get up every 1.5 hours to go, I am also on 2.0mg ldn which I started in 2004.
I am gonna keep going


kc

This is a massive change in the way fluids are processed. You may have noticed feeling warmer in bed? Warmer hands and feet? I ask this because a drop in core body temperature takes place on a flat bed but not on an inclined bed. This drop would trigger urgency.

Higher more even body temperature throughout the night together with the lungs inflating an deflating more efficiently will remove more water as evaporation from the respiratory tract and skin.

More evaporation means higher density changes in the circulation and gravity provides the boost due to the imbalance of density on the arterial side.

If you think about this for a minute it does make sense. Gravity can only assist the circulation if the downward flowing side (main artery) takes away the denser blood from the lungs after water has been expired.

If no density imbalance was taking place, then gravity would act equally on the veins and arteries. We can see from the varicose veins pictures from Alun that the venous return has also received a pressure change from the inclined bed. This is caused by the pulses of denser blood released after each breath into the main artery after passing through the heart is pulled down by gravity, providing we are tilted correctly or indeed standing or sitting correctly. But for every action there must be an opposing reaction and in this case the arterial pressure changes, increasing slightly and the venous pressure decreases due to the tension applied to the blood in the return flow, clearly pulling the varicose veins back level with the skin surface.

So while you are observing the changes in fluid output, consider the chain reaction your whole body is undergoing.

Andrew

[newfie-girl]

Andrew, tks so much for sharing your IT therapy suggestions with us. Althou I have not inclined my bed, only because my husband has queries about it)lol) I remembered at one point I had visited my chiropractor and purchased a large pillow, which was used for elelvating my legs. It had been in my closet for years. When I stumbled upon your threads about IT, I started to think well maybe, I should get this pillow out of storage! Instead of using it for my legs, I used it as a regular head pillow. It is raised appx. 9" in height, x 24" flat, and 23" inclined from my head down my back. I don't know how this compares to IBT, but I have to tell you, I have had great results. I have SPMS, was taking Rebil for 10 years, and Avonex for 1 year. I have this past month discontinued my Avonex. Just to be brief, cause I am anxious to hear your take on this. Since using the pillow, My feet are warmer, and not blue, in the morning. I wake up feeling totally energized, my hands are not so tight and numb, and most importantly my drop foot has improved to the point that I can actually lift my foot. I have much more to say, but first I would like to hear your views on this. I am all there for IBT, and will definitely follow your advice, but is it possible the pillow is doing part of the job?

[AndrewKFletcher]

Horizontal is what we are trying to avoid, so yes even having the upper torso raised is a bonus, but this comprimises the skin and compresses the spine over night, whereas the inclined bed does the opposite, distributing the weight more evenly. People have said the mattres feels much softer on an incline, of course this is not the case.

Also sleeping sitting with legs flat, means if you sleep on your side, you will be straining the hip joints and lower spine.

There are now published papers about sitting for too long and the resulting degenerative effects. There are also published papers on the resulting degenerative affect of sleeping horizontal. But no published results on any degenerative affects of Inclined Therapy.

In fact we are seeing quite the opposite on Thisisms Forum.

So I would definately go for the full inclined posture, and then you will be able to rotate from side to side , back and tummy without comprimising the skin and running the risk of developng a pressure sore, something we must avoid at all costs.

But there is much more to sleeping on a properly inclined bed, and much more undoubtedly to follow in the posts from people using I.T.

Thank you for joining us and adding your voice.

Look forward to hearing more about your observations

Andrew

[shye]

2 month report:
Still no dream recall! But do sleep better, wake up refreshed.
Just noticing my eyes don't feel dry anymore--can now tell there is fluid there--never felt that before (but didn't realize that)--same with the feeling in feet and hands, hadn't realized how little feeling had until started the IBT which increased the feeling.

I am doing so very much other stuff--started Magnesium intravenously as well as high dose Mg supplements (Albion process) , and brain and body waking up!! (had been taking Mg for years, but clearly not absorbing it)-- Affects feeling, mood, faster brain,--chiro saw BIG difference in much more relaxed muscles...MUCH better control in walking...Had started to feel a bit in feet and hands when first started IBT, but hugh leap in feeling with the supplements. (and years old Raynaud' Syndrome seems to be clearing up)...Much better color to skin..

So major improvements, some due to extra nutrients (taking other stuff also), but I think the nutrient effect would not be as great without my doing the Inclined Bed Therapy, which helps circulate the nutrients in a better way.

Will finally start EDTA chelation in two days, so assume will progress even faster.

[jimmylegs]

hey shye what do you do for vitamin b6 intake? do you know what level your daily intake is at?