Inclined Bed Therapy

[AndrewKFletcher]

If you go to the new forum, (link below) you will find frequently asked questions.
http://www.andrewkfletcher.com/index.ph ... &Itemid=30

[gibbledygook]

Hi andrew,

I've been sleeping on an inclined bed since last year, may, I think. I also underwent stent placements at Stanford and enjoyed immediate relief from bladder and night spasm issues for 3 months afterwards. I then became pregnant and my MS symptoms immediately deteriorated and I am now worse than I was even before the stent operation. Do you think that the inclined bed makes blood flow through the jugular veins or through the vertebral veins when supine?

[AndrewKFletcher]

Hi andrew,

I've been sleeping on an inclined bed since last year, may, I think. I also underwent stent placements at Stanford and enjoyed immediate relief from bladder and night spasm issues for 3 months afterwards. I then became pregnant and my MS symptoms immediately deteriorated and I am now worse than I was even before the stent operation. Do you think that the inclined bed makes blood flow through the jugular veins or through the vertebral veins when supine?

I have asked a number of people to have a scan done on an incline, standing and laying horizontal. This is essential to learn which applies and without it as you are saying we are left with thinking about this answer rather than knowing.

I would hope that both the cerebrospinal veins and the jugular veins would share the circulation while on an incline as opposed to standing, relieving the tension placed on the vessels from the circulating blood. (See H.T. Hammel on Hullet’s theory of osmosis).


The paper extract below, which you have no doubt read, shows how changes in posture can serve to shift blood flow from the cerebrospinal veins to the jugular veins or indeed the opposite in healthy people.

http://www.bentham.org/cnr/openaccessar ... boniII.pdf
Quote: Extracranial Venous Drainage
The cerebral blood is finally collected into the dural
sinuses and in turn redirected towards the main extracranial
venous outflow routes: the IJVs and the vertebral venous
system (Fig. 1). The anatomical pathways of jugular
drainage are well established. The main jugular blood
drainage pathway leads from the SSS and the transverse
sinuses via the sigmoid sinuses into the IJVs, which meet the
superior cava vein via the brachiocephalic vein.
Several ultrasound study of healthy volunteers demonstrated
that the pattern of cerebral venous drainage changes,
even under physiological conditions, depending on the body
position (Valdueza et al., 2000; Doepp et al., 2004;
Schreiber, et al. 2003; Menegatti and Zamboni, 2008).
In the prone position, the outflow through the IJVs is
favored, this assumption was based on angiographic studies
and cerebral blood flow analyses with nitrous oxide, labeled
erythrocytes, and thermodilution techniques (Schreiber et al.,
2003; Nylin et al., 1961; Huber, 1982; Shenkin et al., 1948;
Wilson et al., 1972), which were all performed in a supine
body position. Whereas passing to the upright position transfers
most of the encephalic drainage to the VVs (Valdueza
et al., 2000; Doepp et al., 2004; Menegatti and Zamboni.,
2008).

I have no access to any method of evaluating postural changes in blood flow and apologies for any delay in having hard evidence to answer your excellent question.

If you are reading this and are booked up or considering a scan for CCSVI. Please Please ask for a scan done on an approximate five degree head up angle.

[OK77]

Hi Andrew,

I've been telling my parents about my improvements since starting I.T. and they too will soon be inclining their bed as a result. My dad, who takes a daily aspirin to thin his blood for no reason other than his age, suggested i start taking a daily aspirin (75mg) too. I can see his logic, where do you stand on this?

kind regards,
Ozi

[AndrewKFletcher]

Hi Ozi

Thanks for adding your Journal on the IBT forum.

Look for a safer alternative like garlic, gingkobiloba, as a blood thinner. Aspirin is a stomach antagonist and linked to bleeding stomach ulcers.

http://pharmaknow.com/contraindications ... f-aspirin/

One of the best methods of thinning the blood is to increase the amount of water you drink, perferebly filtered water, not bottled mineral water as these bottled waters can contain a large amount of sodium.

[OK77]

Hi Ozi

Thanks for adding your Journal on the IBT forum.

Look for a safer alternative like garlic, gingkobiloba, as a blood thinner. Aspirin is a stomach antagonist and linked to bleeding stomach ulcers.

http://pharmaknow.com/contraindications ... f-aspirin/

One of the best methods of thinning the blood is to increase the amount of water you drink, perferebly filtered water, not bottled mineral water as these bottled waters can contain a large amount of sodium.

i thought as much!

I do currently take Gingko Biloba and have quite a bit of garlic in my diet, however i do drink bottled water. so, should invest i in a water purifier so i can drink filtered tap water ?

regards,
Ozi

[AndrewKFletcher]

Check the levels of minerals in the bottled water.

Alternatively get a filter jug or a cartridge filter system and drink tap water.

Chlorine can be removed by letting the jug stand in the fridge for 2 hours. The vibration from the fridge motor helps to remove the gas.

Bottled water is over rated. Minerals = salts Mineral water therefore is salty water.

Here is a list of bottled waters. check out the mineral salt contents.

http://www.pmgeiser.ch/mineral/index.php?func=country

[msgator]

Hi Andrew,

I am a new member of this site but have been checking out the forums for weeks now. Just thought I would let you know that my husband and I have inclined our bed as of last saturday. I already feel less leg stiffness in the morning and definitely have more concentrated urine when I first get up. I will continue to inform you of new developments as this is really news. Just like the CCSVI stuff makes sense, the IBT stuff made sense. And it is non-invasive and cheap and definitely worth a try.

If nothing else I still laugh everytime I walk into my bedroom, and laughter is great medicine

[AndrewKFletcher]

Hi Andrew,

I am a new member of this site but have been checking out the forums for weeks now. Just thought I would let you know that my husband and I have inclined our bed as of last saturday. I already feel less leg stiffness in the morning and definitely have more concentrated urine when I first get up. I will continue to inform you of new developments as this is really news. Just like the CCSVI stuff makes sense, the IBT stuff made sense. And it is non-invasive and cheap and definitely worth a try.

If nothing else I still laugh everytime I walk into my bedroom, and laughter is great medicine

Your post made my wife and I smile, thanks.

Please add a journal to the IBT forum. You can open a new topic and I will paste the template into your post to retain the coloured text for ease of editing.

Best wishes Andrew :

[joyj]

andrew, some observations while having my worst cold ever. last sunday i had bad full length body spasms then my legs wouldnt work at all, as i have ppms im pretty stable and have never had this before. my normal temperature is 36.2 but that night it was 37.4 as soon as it was back to normal i was ok, also my feet went back to being freezing while i was ill.

[AndrewKFletcher]

andrew, some observations while having my worst cold ever. last sunday i had bad full length body spasms then my legs wouldnt work at all, as i have ppms im pretty stable and have never had this before. my normal temperature is 36.2 but that night it was 37.4 as soon as it was back to normal i was ok, also my feet went back to being freezing while i was ill.

Thanks Joyj

Are your feet warmer now? Has the spasm changed since?

Was the air more humid / damp at the time of your cold onset?

[joyj]

spasms and cold feet are gone now, the weather was good when i had my cold humidity in flat was 43%

[AndrewKFletcher]

This is a very interesting observation and implicates body temperature and possibly atmospheric pressure in your symptom relapse.

What was the weather like immediately before your cold developing and during your short term relapse?

How does this relapse compare to pre-ibt relapses?

Andrew

[joyj]

weather was dry and mild before and through my cold. i have never had a relapse ive got got ppms my legs have never stopped working before. i think it was down to my body heat being high, as soon as i was cool everyting was ok.

[lifeisgood]

Thank you-

I have been lurking. My husband has MS and we started IBT about 8 weeks ago. We bought the risers at Bed Bath & Beyond and I think they raise the bed about 5 1/2 inches.

He has experienced improvements:

-- He said he wakes up with much more energy than he has in years and feels "good" for a change.

-- The fatigue during the day has lessened.

-- It seems the burning in hands and feet isn't as bad as it was.

-- Muscle soreness in legs and forearms isn't as bad.

-- Doesn't snore as much. (I noticed that one.)

-- Bathroom visits at night are down to 0 or 1.

-- Sleep seems more restful, and at the beginning of IBT he had vivid dreams.

I, personally, I have noticed that I seem to be sleeping better. I had been waking up with slightly swollen feet and hands and thought that this might help, but it doesn't seem that it has. That's ok, as long as it's helping my husband.

We had raised it another inch about 3 weeks ago , but only for a week. That one inch made it seem like we raised it much more. We were both sliding down during the night, which kept waking us up. I wanted to get some velcro PJs and sheets! We went back down to just the original risers that we bought and plan on keeping it at that height.

I will go and post to the other forum for you when I get chance.

Thanks again.